Comments on: A Note from Lewis Lapham http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:04:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Todd Cereghino http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-6835 Todd Cereghino Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:04:19 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-6835 It is sad that the changing of the name of 11 November from Armistice Day to Veterans Day has led the Pentagon to trust in armed coercion in place of trying to learn from 1914 and not whitewash it into a just crusade. We had strong warnings in Korea and Vietnam, but the Pentagon has sought an honourable death in place of life. May we survive! It is sad that the changing of the name of 11 November from Armistice Day to Veterans Day has led the Pentagon to trust in armed coercion in place of trying to learn from 1914 and not whitewash it into a just crusade. We had strong warnings in Korea and Vietnam, but the Pentagon has sought an honourable death in place of life. May we survive!

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By: Javier Hernandez-Miyares http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-3082 Javier Hernandez-Miyares Fri, 09 May 2008 00:04:13 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-3082 what is necessary is to build a revolutionary party within the united states. what is necessary is to build a revolutionary party within the united states.

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By: Thor http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-1319 Thor Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:38:53 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-1319 Re-arranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic There seems to be a couple of the more foundational points about this whole issue that don't get much attention by anyone. Q's: 1. What justifies the use of U.S. military force? 2. Can an insurgency be won by military force? A's: 1. According the U.S. Constitution, the purpose for funding, equipping, and training military forces is to defend interests of the U.S nation-state. While humanitarian disasters, genocide, and other assorted nastiness is unfortunate, yea even catastrophic, it does not justify the spilling of the lives, blood, and treasure of the nation. This question of Jus Ad Bellum, the justice of war, if given any attention at all these days is usually quickly whisked away with a "Yes, but we're there now" comment. And while this is most definitely true, we do now have the tiger by the tail and it behooves us to understand if we really needed to poke the big kitty in the eye or not to perhaps prevent such hubris in the future. Further, we are there...and to simply walk away w/o creating a stable foundation for the Iraqi society to continue from is unjustified on any basis, political, moral, strategic, or otherwise. 2. Terrorism, counter-insurgency, irregular warfare, etc is nothing new. They are tactics that have been used by sundry groups of hominids possessing less power and technology than their opponents down through history. The historical options for dealing with the "terror tactics" via more conventional military approaches are a) the stronger power tires, redefines "victory" and goes away, or b) the stronger power annihilates the large majority of the enemy population. See the Romans for the first 800 years or so of their history and the U.S. versus the Apaches, 19th century. (Geronimo and his warriors make Al Quaida look like a bunch of choir boys.) The cancer analogy seems to fit all to well in this scenario. To destroy a tumor (conventional target set) is relatively easy for advanced technology. To destroy every last cancer cell and prevent it from regrowing somewhere else is not. Of course, one sure-fire way to kill the cancer is to blow the brains out of the cancer patient...a "baby and the bathwater" kind of argument, at best. Do I have all of the answers? If I did, I'd sell a book myself. But I do know that such questions as these need to be examined...and not simply assumed. Re-arranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic

There seems to be a couple of the more foundational points about this whole issue that don’t get much attention by anyone.
Q’s:
1. What justifies the use of U.S. military force?
2. Can an insurgency be won by military force?
A’s:
1. According the U.S. Constitution, the purpose for funding, equipping, and training military forces is to defend interests of the U.S nation-state. While humanitarian disasters, genocide, and other assorted nastiness is unfortunate, yea even catastrophic, it does not justify the spilling of the lives, blood, and treasure of the nation. This question of Jus Ad Bellum, the justice of war, if given any attention at all these days is usually quickly whisked away with a “Yes, but we’re there now” comment. And while this is most definitely true, we do now have the tiger by the tail and it behooves us to understand if we really needed to poke the big kitty in the eye or not to perhaps prevent such hubris in the future. Further, we are there…and to simply walk away w/o creating a stable foundation for the Iraqi society to continue from is unjustified on any basis, political, moral, strategic, or otherwise.

2. Terrorism, counter-insurgency, irregular warfare, etc is nothing new. They are tactics that have been used by sundry groups of hominids possessing less power and technology than their opponents down through history.
The historical options for dealing with the “terror tactics” via more conventional military approaches are a) the stronger power tires, redefines “victory” and goes away, or b) the stronger power annihilates the large majority of the enemy population. See the Romans for the first 800 years or so of their history and the U.S. versus the Apaches, 19th century. (Geronimo and his warriors make Al Quaida look like a bunch of choir boys.)

The cancer analogy seems to fit all to well in this scenario. To destroy a tumor (conventional target set) is relatively easy for advanced technology. To destroy every last cancer cell and prevent it from regrowing somewhere else is not. Of course, one sure-fire way to kill the cancer is to blow the brains out of the cancer patient…a “baby and the bathwater” kind of argument, at best.

Do I have all of the answers? If I did, I’d sell a book myself. But I do know that such questions as these need to be examined…and not simply assumed.

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By: Christopher Hanna http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-407 Christopher Hanna Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:19:16 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-407 Dear Lewis, What a marvelous idea!! It would be interesting to provide a "mapping" or some other suitable annotation that indicates those recommendations, guidances, etc, that the current administration DID cherry-pick (to prolong Baker's fruit salad analogy), the extent to which their execution was complete or half-hearted, what the consequential outcome was as compared to expectations, etc. In addition, I'd be interested in those points they said would be executed upon, but nothing happened. In short, as someone who spends his days thinking about business process metrics, it would be fantastic to see an integrated "scorecard" of ISG recommendation follow-up, as well as an updatable dashboard of progress across key metrics as a consequence of their (in)actions. Fantastic idea. Chris Hanna Chicago, IL PS Saw your movie on Sundance last night -- LOVED IT! Vehemently recommended it to my Harpers-and-Lapham-Quarterly-reading brothers..... Dear Lewis,

What a marvelous idea!!

It would be interesting to provide a “mapping” or some other suitable annotation that indicates those recommendations, guidances, etc, that the current administration DID cherry-pick (to prolong Baker’s fruit salad analogy), the extent to which their execution was complete or half-hearted, what the consequential outcome was as compared to expectations, etc. In addition, I’d be interested in those points they said would be executed upon, but nothing happened.

In short, as someone who spends his days thinking about business process metrics, it would be fantastic to see an integrated “scorecard” of ISG recommendation follow-up, as well as an updatable dashboard of progress across key metrics as a consequence of their (in)actions.

Fantastic idea.

Chris Hanna
Chicago, IL

PS Saw your movie on Sundance last night — LOVED IT! Vehemently recommended it to my Harpers-and-Lapham-Quarterly-reading brothers…..

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By: Elizabeth A. Wilson http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-88 Elizabeth A. Wilson Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:42:51 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-88 Let's go back to the beginning. His first state of the union address, when he was discussing higher education and said "Hey, if the country needs more hairdressers, we should ..." That is his idea of higher education. Then let's take each state of the union speech apart. The man does actually let you know what he thinks. Thank you for your efforts. We'll keep the lights from going out. e Let’s go back to the beginning. His first state of the union address, when he was discussing higher education and said “Hey, if the country needs more hairdressers, we should …” That is his idea of higher education. Then let’s take each state of the union speech apart. The man does actually let you know what he thinks.

Thank you for your efforts. We’ll keep the lights from going out. e

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By: Ron McAllister http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-85 Ron McAllister Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:27:12 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-85 My 8 year old son asked me the other day why mankind goes to war. Complicated yet simple. The primary reasons I believe are fear and greed, ironically the same main reasons the stock markets rise and fall. Until mankind takes a more reasoned long term view of conflict we will forever remain in the trees. One big obstacle to peace is our, and I mean most western countries, especially the U.S., reliance on the military industrial complex. India, Russia and China being other large producers of military hardware. It really is an existential question and it hits home deep into mankinds psyche. As a species it doesn't appear we are ready to overcome issues of race, ethnicity, religions, colour and class. I answered my son honestly. For an 8 year old he made the startling observation that though extinct the dinosaurs lasted 165 million years. He asked me how long man has been around. When I told him only 4 million years as a species but roughly only 15,000 years in our present form you could see his worry that we may not come close to the life expectancy of the dinosaurs. His worry is mine and until more humans take this worry more seriously we will forever be damned to repeat our same heinous mistakes born from our hubris. Sincerely, Ron McAllister My 8 year old son asked me the other day why mankind goes to war. Complicated yet simple. The primary reasons I believe are fear and greed, ironically the same main reasons the stock markets rise and fall. Until mankind takes a more reasoned long term view of conflict we will forever remain in the trees.
One big obstacle to peace is our, and I mean most western countries, especially the U.S., reliance on the military industrial complex. India, Russia and China being other large producers of military hardware. It really is an existential question and it hits home deep into mankinds psyche. As a species it doesn’t appear we are ready to overcome issues of race, ethnicity, religions, colour and class. I answered my son honestly.
For an 8 year old he made the startling observation that though extinct the dinosaurs lasted 165 million years. He asked me how long man has been around. When I told him only 4 million years as a species but roughly only 15,000 years in our present form you could see his worry that we may not come close to the life expectancy of the dinosaurs. His worry is mine and until more humans take this worry more seriously we will forever be damned to repeat our same heinous mistakes born from our hubris.

Sincerely,

Ron McAllister

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By: duncan http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-84 duncan Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:16:31 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-84 For many years, and especially since WW11, muslims who say they want to conquer the world have been engaged in a killing spree. This was finally brought home to the West by bombings in Bali, Spain, Britain and the US. Both the Democrat and Republican governments agreee that something has to be done with anti-western hatred fomented in the Middle East. Critics of the western governments conveniently ignore the reality that the West is the victim and is defending itself against indiscriminate serial murderers. Iraq and Afghanistan were the logical entry points in a Middle East strategy of taking the conflict to the enemy. If one ignores the flagrant media bias and hypocrisy of politicians out of power and compares the current "stopping militant islam" campaign with historical precedents, an unbiased observer might conclude that this is one of the most successful military and "humanitarian interventionist" efforts ever undertaken. We are under attack by salafists who gloat in their propaganda that the citizens of the West are too stupid to stop them. If you are unfamiliar with "salafism" you are reading the wrong press and can count yourself among the stupid. In conclusion, I would like to say "thank-you" to our fighters on the front lines. For many years, and especially since WW11, muslims who say they want to conquer the world have been engaged in a killing spree. This was finally brought home to the West by bombings in Bali, Spain, Britain and the US. Both the Democrat and Republican governments agreee that something has to be done with anti-western hatred fomented in the Middle East. Critics of the western governments conveniently ignore the reality that the West is the victim and is defending itself against indiscriminate serial murderers. Iraq and Afghanistan were the logical entry points in a Middle East strategy of taking the conflict to the enemy. If one ignores the flagrant media bias and hypocrisy of politicians out of power and compares the current “stopping militant islam” campaign with historical precedents, an unbiased observer might conclude that this is one of the most successful military and “humanitarian interventionist” efforts ever undertaken. We are under attack by salafists who gloat in their propaganda that the citizens of the West are too stupid to stop them. If you are unfamiliar with “salafism” you are reading the wrong press and can count yourself among the stupid. In conclusion, I would like to say “thank-you” to our fighters on the front lines.

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By: Simon Salosny http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-82 Simon Salosny Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:45:59 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-82 Having seen long time neighbors of arabic origin dancing and applauding in the street, a short while after the news told details about 9/11, and knowing that the Islamic boys are brainwashed for years while studying the Qran (reason why most are ready to die when cued); I don't see a way out of the Quagmire, but for another Hussein taking the reins of power. One good example is what happened to the Shah of Iran (who was on the right road), with the helping hands of misguided and misinformed U.S.politicians and extreme Human Rights activists who replaced him by a fanatic Ayatollah. You just can't apply logic to a generalized situation that defies western understanding and the idea of "democracy". Simon Having seen long time neighbors of arabic origin dancing and applauding in the street, a short while after the news told details about 9/11, and knowing that the Islamic boys are brainwashed for years while studying the Qran (reason why most are ready to die when cued); I don’t see a way out of the Quagmire, but for another Hussein taking the reins of power. One good example is what happened to the Shah of Iran (who was on the right road), with the helping hands of misguided and misinformed U.S.politicians and extreme Human Rights activists who replaced him by a fanatic Ayatollah. You just can’t apply logic to a generalized situation that defies western understanding and the idea of “democracy”.

Simon

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By: Don Lantz http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-23 Don Lantz Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:18:16 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-23 I applaud your efforts at open and incisive questioning of our policies. Our republic needs constant oversight of our elected representative, especially our chief executive. I applaud your efforts at open and incisive questioning of our policies. Our republic needs constant oversight of our elected representative, especially our chief executive.

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By: Dave Everitt http://www.futureofthebook.org/iraq/#comment-15 Dave Everitt Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:08:57 +0000 http://www.futureofthebook.org/quagmire/home/#comment-15 The phrase: "the asking of as many questions as its citizens can put to the representatives of their own stupidity and fear" hints at the following: 1. people are ill-informed ('stupid'); 2. they are also fearful (perhaps because of being ill-informed); 3. fear leads people to develop collective received 'opinions'; 4. 'stupidity and fear' are by-products of social manipulation, combined with a low self-awareness that allows for unchallenged opinions to spread; What kinds of questions can be asked from such a viewpoint? Which cultural forces can move the 'stupid and fearful' towards becoming 'informed and assertive'? The phrase: “the asking of as many questions as its citizens can put to the representatives of their own stupidity and fear” hints at the following:

1. people are ill-informed (‘stupid’);
2. they are also fearful (perhaps because of being ill-informed);
3. fear leads people to develop collective received ‘opinions’;
4. ‘stupidity and fear’ are by-products of social manipulation, combined with a low self-awareness that allows for unchallenged opinions to spread;

What kinds of questions can be asked from such a viewpoint? Which cultural forces can move the ‘stupid and fearful’ towards becoming ‘informed and assertive’?

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