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next steps Post date  11.16.2005, 11:01 AM

this is a long post.

the first part is me thinking out loud; trying to understand how to contextualize the institute's effort in this area.

the second part is an exchange between ben and me. ben laid out several different scenarios (black); i commented (blue) and ben replied (red).

this is meant to spur discussion, not cut it off. all options are open.

please chime in. and for those of you with a login, feel free to go into the post itself and enter comments at specific points in the text - just make sure you identify yourself (other colors welcome too).

(should we be using a wiki for this?)

b.

Academic Blogging - a crucial new form of intellectual discourse

when people ask us what the institute for the future of the book is "about" we start by explaining that we use the word "book" metaphorically - that books are the vehicle humans use to move big ideas around society, the mechanism of intellectual discourse which is relentlessly shifting from print to screen. our mission is to try to understand this evolution well enough that we might even be able to influence it in ways beneficial to present and future society.

we are in a very interesting and crucial time of transition. at the very moment when we face gigantic problems -social and economic inequality on a national and global scale, dramatic long-term threats to the environment, technological shifts of unimagined proportions and consequences, we find ourselves STUCK - unable to carry on a meaningful debate about whither humanity.

the dominant media forms have largely been colonized by corporate interests. we need new media forms wielded in new ways by actors fresh on the stage to re-invigorate discussion.

much attention is focused on the internet which itself is poised to go in one of two diametrically opposed directions - either a mechanism for fostering non-hierarchical communication from many to many or a new top-down broadcast medium dominated by the same mainstream media which is part of the problem and shows no signs of being part of the solution any time soon.

blogging is a very interesting new form - giving power to individual voices which has not been seen since the beginning of the modern press where each "news outlet" was often the output of a single writer with access to a printing press.

one of the most significant developments within the burgeoning blogosphere is the emergence of experts from the academy who are using blogs to talk to a much wider audience outside the university. commenting on this at a recent meeting john mohr, a sociologist at UC, Santa Barbara, suggested that this phenomena of professors moving beyond the walls of the academy to share their knowledge on key issues, blogs should be seen as a crucial attempt to marshall and deploy intellectual capital in new ways for the longterm benefit of society.

academic bloggers face two powerful opposing forces - on the one hand the conservatism of the academy resists accepting this vital new form of sharing knowledge and on the other, mainstream media is trying to coopt these powerful individual voices so they are rendered relatively safe and harmless.

Scenarios

A distribution point for all academic bloggers

What would this be? Well first, as Manan has suggested, we could simply establish a central index of academic blogs - an aggregate of the blogrolls of Crooked Timber, Cliopatria and Pharyngula, plus many others that people submit. Spread the word and provide a simple moderated submission form where other academics can add their blog. This is useful first step at carving out a more defined space for academics in the blogosphere.

while i think this is a wonderful idea and that someone should do it, i'm doubtful of its relationship to our primary goal of encouraging capable academics to become public intellectuals via blogging and the related goals of raising the academic status of blogging and protecting the independence of academic bloggers.

Agreed. We can just encourage folks to do this themselves. Manan and/or John Holbo might be able to pull it together.

Then there is the possibility of Thinkr -- a Flickr, or Revver, for blog posts. A collective archive with a tagging system where people can showcase exemplary blog writing. My instinct is that for this to work, it should consciously establish a sub-genre -- the "note" perhaps -- the kind of blog post that stands outside the 24-48-hour news cycle and deserves a longer shelf life.

my sense is that social software sites such as flickr/revver depend on large numbers of submissions -- would Thinkr as described above get enough to reach critical mass.

i suppose my biggest problem with Thinkr as conceived in this way is that while it may make academic (blog) output available to a wider audience, i'm again not sure how it either raises the academic status of blogging or protects the independent voice of academic bloggers.

[btw, although not blog-related it might be interesting to conceive of Thinkr as a repository of all academic papers, presumably both peer reviewed and not.]

It's hard to predict how it would evolve, but it seems to me that this model would leverage academic blogging more with the general public than with the academy itself. It could become known as the place where academic bloggers archive their best posts. An attractive destination for an intellectually curious web surfer.

This would raise the bar for submission and add a curious twist that would get people intrigued. Any blogger that thinks back on his/her self-publishing career will recall numerous posts that stand on their own as essays, or "notes." Perhaps an entire thread -- a book roundtable a la The Valve, a debate, a series of interviews, a satirical exchange. These too could be tagged and submitted to Thinkr, by the authors or by their peers in the academic blogosphere. In some ways, this system would perform the function of blog carnivals, and certainly, groups and communities could form within the system just as they do in Flickr.

what about the (ongoing) comment stream on the original post; seems like you'd want to make that available some how -- in addition to comments added to the Thinkr list

Ideally, an entry on Thinkr would incorporate (perhaps using RSS) comments from the original blog and possibly interweave them with comments left directly on Thinkr. Or perhaps you'd have two columns of comments in order to leverage Thinkr comments as a peer review mechanism.

Thinkr users would need to be authenticated in some way and to satisfy the basic criteria of being an academic blogger set out above in the manifesto/statement of principles. To what extent Thinkr would involve something approaching a kind of peer review is up for debate. It seems to me the aim is not to offer an equivalent to peer review, but simply to provide a more defined commons for academic bloggers. It could be used, as Clifford described in the case of the physics community, to test run rough work that perhaps contains the seeds of formal papers and journal articles. But I suspect it would also inspire, as people realize the power of the venue, an outpouring of pithy, short essays written for their own sake -- something nicely in between the off-the-cuff blog post and the polished article. Writing, as they would be, just as much for a general readership as for a group of scholarly peers, this new short form might re-invigorate academic writing, casting off much of the jargon and stuffy abstraction that are the trademarks of academic journals.

it seems to me that if Thinkr enabled and encouraged extensive commenting it becomes a new more powerful mechanism for peer reviews. as i understand it, current peer review involves sending a paper to a small number of readers, who effectively become the gatekeepers. suppose on the other hand you made it relatively easy to publish into an environment with extensive commenting -- wouldn't you in the long run end up with a stronger sense of a paper or a note's value?

I think you're right that the comments will be of great value. This might be a reason to separate, as I mention above, Thinkr comments from regular comments.

Blogging is light years from becoming a recognized form of scholarly activity that might count toward tenure. In part, this is due to the not-unjustified stigma attached to blogs that they are sloppy, undisciplined, and too much of the present moment. Carving out a middle space between "publish or perish" and "push-button publishing" -- between "of the moment" and of the archive -- might leverage blogging as a lively yet serious avenue of discourse for academics. Perhaps a strategy for dealing with academics' concerns about tenure and the blogging time-suck, is to emphasize the outreach component in blogging -- to use this as the window through which the whole practice can enter into legitimacy. A Thinkr-type platform would provide a frame that might distinguish academic blogging as a particularly valuable sort of outreach.

i see this approach as too accepting of blogging's poor-cousin status. while i don't think it's realistic to expect people to ignore issues of tenure etc., it would be far better to try to build structures which make blogging (and related forms) acceptable as appropriate "academic" forms than to try to make blogging acceptable by reinforcing it's image as not quite up to academic standards. i.e. let's either bring blogging up to those standards or change the standards. i think that is at the heart of what john mohr means by marshalling and re-deploying intellectual capital.

I think it should be both. Again, the goal is not to make something that is the same as peer review journals or scholarly monographs. The difference is what makes blogging exciting and valuable. But I'm with you in terms of improving blogging's image as more of an an appropriate academic form, either as a more relaxed peer feedback testing ground, or as its own kind of short-form scholarly production (like the "note"). But outreach (perhaps there's a better word) is incredibly important in terms of the general audience. Yes, we want blogging to be taken seriously as part of a scholar's work, but we don't want to academicize it too much. Part of the joy of academic blogging is that they write in regular, human english.


A more modest approach

A less sprawling approach could also be taken. Something based more on the Arts & Letters Daily model of a few carefully selected articles each day. The dearth of choices is one of the things that makes AL Daily so refreshing. Every day, it slices through the imposing mass of possible readings on the web. Perhaps such a model could work for academic blogging. A rotating seat of editors, a daily carnival. Five columns, for example, each representing a discipline or subject area. Each day, a single post appears in each column. History, Science, Philosophy, Literature, and a wild card. Comments on these posts could be seen as a mechanism for peer review.

this isn't uninteresting, but seems to be something that AL daily or another web-based publication could/should do.

It would definitely be a huge job. Would still like to float it out there, but with your comment that it maybe isn't the project WE should be doing.


A "Magnum" for academic bloggers

for me this one has the best chance of both raising the status of blogging and building a sustainable model

I like it too, but I'm still not satisfied in terms of grassroots concerns. Of course, we have to choose our battles. At least for now, I think it's productive to keep wrangling with both the elite and the grassroots ideas.

This is related to and might significantly resemble the previous scenarios. The difference is that we are dealing here with a more strictly defined and selectively chosen membership. Sort of what Magnum is to professional photographers, this league would be for serious blogging academics. Its stamp assures quality and leverages participating writers in the public eye. The Magnum model also establishes opportunities for collective bargaining, which could in turn be used for advantageous advertising schemes to make the whole thing sustainable, and the selling of syndication rights. It could also provide some basic services for its members such as fact-checking and comment moderation.

More to the heart of the matter, a Magnum-type league would help to safeguard gifted academic bloggers from co-option by mainstream media. Providing a framework that increases visibility and helps make blogging more sustainable would diminish the temptation to secure a more comfortable arrangement at the expense of one's independence.

As Bob has roughly outlined, this would begin with a small core of bloggers formed into a cooperative. The bloggers themselves would be responsible for selecting and inviting new members (and for hiring support staff -- though perhaps the institute would provide assistance with this). When appropriate, blogs within a discipline would be more closely linked, and perhaps conversations would occur across these blogs.

When the times and spirit move them, the cooperative could issue highly visible responses to major events in society. "Ten Notes On the Paris Riots," "13 Ways of Looking at Katrina," etc.


Justice League, Fantastic Four: a small portal for A-list academic bloggers

i'm not keen on using the hollywood/society term "A-list" as it injects a certain sense of arrogance and hierarchy. how about just saying "excellent"?

Sure. No attachment whatsoever to A-list.

One take on this is the global hot spot portal that Juan has envisioned: four or five historians with deep expertise on a crisis region giving daily or near-daily news digests and analysis of the sort you won't find in any mainstream paper. The front page could be organized by geographic area with headlines or threads advertised in each section. The hot spot portal could also be part of a slightly bigger portal. Three nodes -- e.g. history, science and philosophy -- each with a group of academics elucidating and demystifying the major stories of our times. Each of these sections would start with a single blogger who would then select a partner. The two of them would, in turn, select a third peer and so on.

not clear to me why the magnum model and fantastic four models aren't one and the same as there is no reason why under the magnum model there aren't smaller subsets such as Juan's regional experts or 4 physicists or 3 economists.

That's true. What we need to figure out is when Magnum is simply an affiliation where you are linked to by the mothership site, and when Magnum's site actually contains the blogs, as in the case of the hot spot portal (or maybe not). It could be as simple as a badge that you display prominently on your site. But if we're talking about this more complicated apparatus with fact-checking, comment moderation, advertising and syndication, then it becomes a little more involved. Thoughts?

Posted by bob stein at November 16, 2005 11:01 AM

Comments

The software SCOOP used by Kuro5hin has builti in structures for applying the model suggested above...

Then there is the possibility of Thinkr -- a Flickr, or Revver, for blog posts. A collective archive with a tagging system where people can showcase exemplary blog writing. My instinct is that for this to work, it should consciously establish a sub-genre -- the "note" perhaps -- the kind of blog post that stands outside the 24-48-hour news cycle and deserves a longer shelf life.
What it has is a system where Kuro5hin members (not the audience, although I think there's a separate audience rating thing too) rate the postings put into the site, and I believe this happens automatically, but more highly rated postings are made public or bopped up to the front page, etc.

Here's some links to the sites that explain it etc.:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/
http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/

Kuro5hin makes explicit use of the self-organizing features of the hybrid CMS/blog interface as a quality control mechanism.

Chris

Posted by: Chris Boese at November 16, 2005 12:58 PM

I need to chew this over before I comment/blog at length (though I love the idea of Thinkr). But (drum roll) as a librarian, I'm surprised you're so quick to dismiss "a central index of academic blogs," since gathered and organized knowledge is often very powerful, and such a powerful presence could indeed go far toward "encouraging capable academics to become public intellectuals via blogging" and perhaps nudging forward the academic teetering on saying something valuable who worries that he or she is a vox clamantis in deserto, and would be reassured by the physical weight of such an index? Isn't there power in numbers?

Or perhaps tagging is the new indexing, and the index would be a cumbersome thing to maintain whereas tagging would be lightweight, flexible, dynamic, and visible in its own right. In which case, as Emily Litella would say, never mind!

Posted by: K.G. Schneider at November 16, 2005 3:33 PM

My instinct (and this echoes something Dan, one of our colleagues here, said earlier when looking over these notes) is that lists, blog rolls, central indexes and the like tend to stagnate. How often have you stumbled on a lovingly curated index only to find it is a bone yard of dead links?

The Librarians' Internet Index is one of those happy exceptions that proves the rule. It helps that there is a state grant and a bunch of fabulous librarians whose job it is to maintain it. But few people are lucky or crazy enough to have that job. It seems to me that tagging and search engines have taken over from the early web mode of the hand-annotated index.

That being said, I think it would be a fine thing if a comprehensive academic blogroll existed, I'm just not confident that it will be sustainable or useful in the long run. Maybe aggregating feeds would be more in line with current reading practices on the web.

Posted by: ben vershbow at November 16, 2005 3:52 PM

I just sat with a colleague and discussed teaching, and what ideas needed to be part of the class. She's actually taking over a class for me so I can work on my thesis. (And it's a crazy funding dodge.)

What mattered most was the dialogue. The confrontation of ideas. One of the most powerful part of blogs is that, conversation. Dialectic. Idea, counter idea, new idea...to paraphrase.

Sometimes when I think of a collection of blogs it seems like a museum for observing things but not fully interacting with them.

I'm taking a polarized stand here not to be a pain but to illuminate this.

The Thinkr idea is the most intriguing because I can see dialogue here the best. Maybe it's because I use Flickr, or other ideas aren't as accessible to me at the moment.

These are first thoughts...

Posted by: JennyD at November 16, 2005 9:07 PM

I don't think we should fear the "list" that much. A wiki-list will maintain itself and, really, even abandoned blogs contribute.
The key is to do re-publish good content on a thinkr-ish site so that when people stop blogging or move to a diff. blog, there is another archive somewhere.

I think that an invited collective - which, in turns, sends out invitation would grow at just the right pace. Think Gmail in the beginning. or that ASmallWorld community.....

Posted by: manan at November 17, 2005 10:25 AM

I agree with Ben on the mauseoleum problems with a static site, and would warn against creating a blog boneyard (and yes, we're slightly insane to do what we do at LII; note that in many ways I think of our hard-to-search, somewhat librarianish portal as an afterthought to our weekly newsletter, which brings us back to "immediacy" and "outreach").

The trick would be to follow the spirit of the static page (me see, me use) and keep the bar very low, technologically, and not to let our natural fascination with the geekier side of things (tagging and wikis and blogs, oh my) become a scrim so fascinating it obscures the tableau behind it. After all, you already have one significant barrier, which is the comfort zone of most academics with this new form of discourse in relation to other forms of publishing ("I can't use this to make tenure," etc.). Whatever technology is used, make it painfully easy, so that the last thing they're worried about is the technology. Look at Google: a white page with a box on it. Whatever we come up with, it should be that simple. It should also have an engaging, constant-presence angle.

Posted by: K.G. Schneider at November 17, 2005 2:28 PM

Keep it simple. I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: ben vershbow at November 17, 2005 2:31 PM

I promised Bob a list of academic blogs, but then never got back to him.

But we might start by using del.icio.us, and an agreed set of tags.

Duplicate URLs/blogs tagged at del.icio.us would perhaps be an indication of merit, as to some extent the identity of the tagger.

We'd want to use an agreed upon set of tags though. I've been tagging academic bloggers for a while, thinking about how it might work here. The hard part would be coming up with the right set of tags; I tend towards the obvious classifications, but that's not necessarily the optimal solution.

Posted by: Lisa Spangenberg at November 18, 2005 2:40 PM

On the collective idea... there's already a community, The Academy, in The Truth Laid Bare "ecosystem" with 26 blogger-prof members, including some major heavyweights. Anyone have a sense of how effective this has been in terms of our objectives?

Posted by: ben vershbow at November 18, 2005 3:02 PM

I'm in the Truth Laid Bare World, as an education person. It's actually good, the world, that is. Can't say how much.

I want to highlight a story I read today by an academic blogger. She gives me hope. rgoetz@fas.harvard.edu

Posted by: JennyD at November 18, 2005 10:15 PM

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